2m amateur radio band endangered?

A friend brought this news to my attention today. If all this makes its way up the ITU World Radio Conference and gets adopted it is more likely that amateur radio will be kicked out of the 144-146MHz segement as a primary service. Let’s try to get to the bottom of this.

At the end of the Southgate article there is a link to the CEPT website where we can download documents for the upcoming CEPT meeting. The document of interest is called PTA(19)090 (direct link to he document) and consists of  a zip file. The zip file contains a PDF document explaining that there is a legit need for non-safety aeronautical applications such as data links for border control, fire surveillance etc. There is lots of blah-blah about not having frequencies clearly identified for that purpose. Among other band the document simply proposes to re-allocate 144-146 on primary basis to aeronautical services for such needs (see page 5 note a)

a) that the band 144-146 MHz is allocated to the Amateur and Amateur-Satellite on a primary basis in all Regions and may be considered for possible new allocations to the aeronautical mobile service on a primary basis;

Yep, primary basis! They intent to kick amateur radio out of the 144-146MHz band, worldwide! This means hams worldwide would be forced to cease any emissions as soon as the primary service is getting on air. No more repeaters, APRS, SSB, you name it… Since aircrafts can have a very large coverage radius when flying high-altitude, cohabitation will be impossible.

There is also a second set of documents from a few french ham radio organizations where we actually learn that this proposal is driven by Thales Group, a manufacturer of unmanned aircrafts.

IMHO ther is no need to panic for now, as this topic will be first discussed at the european level CEPT and from this point on will be moved to global discussion at the next World Radio Conference. The CEPT meeting will be held from June 17th to 21st in Prag CZ, so stay tuned.

Edit: While I was commuting back home I thought “Why the heck target the 2m amateur band ?” And I came to the following conclusion simply because it is already coordinated worldwide. Other bands have different services depending on ITU region or country. 144-146Mhz is allocated to amateur worldwide, this would save lots of hassle and discussion with dozens of different radio services…

Edit 2:I see some rants about ARRL doing nothing. Actually, the ARRL can’t do nothing for now beside monitoring the issue. This is something being discussed at european level and might be submitted or not to the next World Radio Conference. This currently an european thing and I hope that european amteur organizations will be able to stop the proposal before it hits the World Radio Conference agenda !

105 Comments:

  1. This is all BS, where is ARRL and them fighting this. We all need to stand up the them taking our rights and frequency’s away.

    • Geoffrey F4FXL

      Hi thanks for your comment. IMHO, As long as it is only being discussed at European level and does not make it to the WRC we are all safe. This needs to be closely monitored.

      • Take a listen on the 2 Meter Band. Is it active? NO! Following the usage and hearing from many Hams, both on the Air and reading many Ham Magazines ove my 41 years of being Licienced (VE3HGO), the biggest complaint is that our 2 Meter Ham Band lacks activity. And if you do some research back to when we owned the 11 Meter Ham Band ( now the C.B. Band), its loss to the Radio Amateur Community, was largely due to the absence of activity.
        So here we go again, being challenged and getting our backs up, because suddenly we are concerned over a Ham Band ( 2 Meters) that many rarely use in general.
        Perhaps we need to become more active, by running Nets for more hours if the Day. Make this Band come alive, along with our other VHF and UHF Bands that get seldom usage.
        We all have a part to play and so let’s do our part and trust and pray, the outcome will be positive.
        My thoughts for what it’s worth.. Eldon VE3HGO // VA3HGO

        • Eldon, please, do your regional conclusion for your self only. Do not use general qualification , as you do not have observation all over the world. In Europe more than half million amateurs daily using 2 meters band ! You are extremely incorrect even for your region, nor even Canada. Nick LZ1JY

          • Also there are millions of radios set to 2m. I have 8. What will I do with them?

          • I agree nick. The US is covered with 2 meter repeaters and there are many satellites both analog and digital on the band as well as cross band links. Not to mention EZmE activity and other weak signal modes.
            Steve N9USZ 26 years a Ham and Extra Class

        • The only person who is making any real sense.

        • We have people using our 2m repeater systems daily and it’s also figured into our Emergency Communications plans.

        • Eldon, i live in the UK (North Wales) and around here the 2m band is
          always busy as mobile phone coverage is not to good.
          I personally use the 2m band several times a day every day.
          To suggest taking the 2meter band away from us is very
          worrying, to actually take it away would be a disaster!!
          We can not and must not let this happen!

        • In Calgary, I hear activity on 2 meters all of the time.

          Chad – VA6RYE

        • Eldon ! I think you must live in an area that may be an exception. Where I live we have nets every night, sometimes fights over who gets what time slots. Linked repeaters allow 15 counties to communicate with each other. Dozens of HAM Clubs in our area are primarily 2 meter clubs who also provide services to road races, bike ride challenges, field events, sporting events, etc. Emergency communications training and drills also work mostly on 2 meters around here.

          There are other frequencies that could be assigned but the USA 2 meter band is not one that can be easily removed.
          Hope your area can develop more young HAMs who are interested in the hobby and interested in helping their communities.

        • Eldon,

          Maybe you lack a good radio or antenna on 2 meters or only listen on one frequency.
          2 meters over here is very busy. Tried any satellites, CW,SSB or weak signal digital or moon bounce? I am sure you will find someone to talk to.

          Good luck, we will keep 2 meters alive for you to get a chance for a QSO.

          73, Scott WA6LIE

        • Depends upon where you are in the world as to how active the bands are. Just because they are not active where you are, does not mean the bands are not active somewhere else.

        • Where I lived in the UK 2metres was busy up until they ditched the morse code requirement for the full licence. Then it was like someone flicked a switch and it all went quiet. Cant comment on my new QTH, its a very rural location but there is a small amount of activity.

        • I use the 2m band everyday, and well as the hams I speak to everyday.

        • I just spent yesterday providing informational and emergency communication services for the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb. Guess what… Communication was performed via a repeaters including ones on 2M frequencies. A cell phone was unusable or, at best unreliable, from many of the stations along the race route; however, every volunteer maintained comms via radio. Another example is the Colorado Connection repeater system. Very often, a scheduled volunteer amateur operator is listening for emergency traffic, ready to offer assistance in reaching law enforcement and/or other emergency services. Further to this our repeater systems enjoy regular use by various groups holding nets on a number of subjects. 2M may be dead where you are, but it is alive and important (sometimes vitally so) here.

          P. S. Some will say, “You’ll still have 440 for your repeaters.”
          There are two repeaters on Pikes Peak, one VHF and one UHF. There are many places where it is usable on one frequency and not the other.

    • Laurin Cavender

      Like normal the ARRL is sitting on their hands doing nothing until the last minute to see what the political climate is to see what side they come down on like BPL! WB4IVG Laurin

    • It was given to us and we will keep it.

    • This is exactly why you should ignore and defund the ARRL. It’s a feckless organization run by morons more concerned with crushing free markets than maintaining free speech. The ARRL = Fascism!

    • Taking our frequencies is bad, but what right are they taking? I don’t see use of radio waves in the Bill of Rights.

      • Read the Tenth Amendment… all rights belong to the people. We give government the ability to take rights away in order to live in community. Our Constitution does not give us rights… rather, it tells government which of our rights they cannot usurp and prescribes the due process governing when they must.
        AD0WU

        • Geoffrey F4FXL

          Unfortunately this only applies to Europe, for now …

        • Here in the UK, the armature radio is dyeing on its feet in the north many have lost the interest through lack of options to traine and out dated restrictions from ofcom that are to hersh and the rsgb, 2m most of the is dead but many work during the day , some will disagree with this , but there blind to the truth.

        • Very true. Removing a band privilege from a federally licensed radio operator is akin to removing instrument flying privilege from a federally licensed general aviation pilot. Both are rights earned by following and abiding by laws. Both depend on laws able to be changed only through unanimous agreement of all three branches of the peoples’ government, because they are unalienable rights.

    • You need to reread the article. At this point there is nothing the ARRL can do, but sit back and monitor the situation. This is a CEPT thing in Europe.

      • Monitoring is not enough….they need to keep us informed…..

      • There is a real danger, the demand comes from Thales for drones applications. A lot of operators or enterprises want more and more frequencies for IOT, drones, LTE private frequencies, etc. The tendance is to give frequencies in a “responsable” share mode. So if we do nothink on the 2m subject, i think that all ham bands will suffer with a terrible noise floor.

    • Any amateur radio organization in any country can do nothing except keep there members and non-members informed about what is going on, they are not a governing body. The only groups that will have influence are the government departments overseeing radio regulation in that country, they in turn will advise their representative at CEPT. Amateur radio is not a right, it is a privilege, just like your drivers’ license, it can be taken away from you, you can scream and yell, even stop your feet all to no avail, the privilege is gone.
      Also, they are talking about 144 to 146MHz, not 144 to 148MHz. If this does go through, those lucky enough to have had 144 to 148MHz will end up with 146 to 148MHz, not a total loss.

      F4FXL makes a good point about 144 to 148 being a world wide amateur only band, taking 2MHz for aeronautical use would cause the least amount of disruption world wide, so the proposal has it’s merits organizationally speaking.

      Hope that there are enough objections to kill the proposal… this time. The battle may be won, but the war is not over, this proposal will be placed on the table again and again until till those seeking 144 to 146MHz are successful.

    • There is no platform for them or others to speak until this moves to higher levels in Europe!

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  3. as an fyi 2m locally for me (pacific north west) is heavily used and is quite often the backbone for emmcom communication and exercises.

    just because a band isn’t particularity active in your area does NOT mean its not active elsewhere.

  4. I agree with Art, some parts of the country are quite dead but as i do travel a fair amount i have found pockets of seemingly heavy usage.
    Another good point is VHF usage for emcom, what I wonder would they have us use as an alternative?
    Lastly i can’t help but wonder how this would impact our new amateur stats? Lets be realistic, almost all (myself included) new hams start with 2mtrs. It’s the easiest, least expensive and usually fits with the tech license most new hams start with. If we lose half the band ……

  5. I would suggest that Eldon’s observations are perfectly true for much of Northern Europe too.

    From where do you get your statistic of “half a million using the band daily”? From published figures of amateur radio licences in European countries, this looks like the number of hams who potentially COULD be on the air, but in reality most are not.

    I’m not in the position of being able to monitor two metre use over the whole of Europe, but Eldon’s observations are perfectly true for much of the UK. I can certainly remember a time in the 1970s when at certain times of the day virtually every 2m FM and repeater channel would be in use, but this has not been the case for many years.

    I can monitor probably seven 2m repeaters from my home location, and these are silent for much of the day other than the occasional, usually unanswered, CQ call. Calling CQ on the SSB calling channel virtually never attracts an answer, especially during weekdays.

    So please read the most important part of Eldon’s message, which is to encourage much greater use of the band, or there is a real chance it might be lost, or at leadt become unusable due to having to share with incompatible data signals.

    Bob, G8IYK

    • i use 2m during contest, i use 2m repeater, some time on hollidays i use it for example to contact England from Wimereux . Il try on it C4FM, DRM, and there is satellite trafic.etc. One of my favorite band. The amateur bands are to experiment radio, not to be full all the time like cells phone bands. It’s impossible to share this band with planes. During contest we use more than 2kW ERP…
      73 Marc F4HKH

  6. I quit ham radio and sold everything six years ago because of lack of local activity. The few people that were active insisted on talking like they were on CB radio. The old guy whose call is on the two local repeaters refused to allow either repeater to go digital. I had enough of the nonsense so I quit.

    • I’ve been a SWL for 46 years and find 2 metres a good sleeping pill in Warwickshire.

      It’s not used enough.
      SDR is the way to go and Hub Links.

      Very sad!

  7. Although it’s bad news the 70cm band is a secondary allocation in the UK, but you would never know.

    • Shirley Dulcey KE1L

      70cm is a secondary allocation for amateur radio, but in most of the world the primary allocation is for government use and the way they use the band is compatible with significant amateur activity. It is true that ham use of the band might have to be curtailed or shut down in the event of war.

      The proposed use for 2 meters is another matter. If national authorities were to allow the entire allocation to be used for the purposes discussed in the proposal, it would be utterly incompatible with continued amateur radio use of the band. Even giving over any significant portion of the band would be problematic because of the nature of repeater operation; the small 600 KHz separation of input and output frequencies is already technically challenging (business and public safety radio use larger separations), requiring the use of large cavity resonators to achieve sufficient rejection of the unwanted frequency. Trying to squeeze repeater operation into an even smaller band (say, a 1 MHz allocation) would be very difficult indeed.

  8. Licenced since 1973

    I think everyone should ditch digital voice and go back to good old FM SSB and CW and get the activity levels back up on 2m…You can bet your life that if we don’t lose 2m now there will still be megabucks corporations wanting to take 2m from us in the future.

    • Shirley Dulcey KE1L

      I don’t think that digital voice is the problem. if anything, it has the potential to increase activity because of the improved ability for cross-linking.

      But the existence of multiple standards for digital voice is a problem. As it is the activity is fragmented, and hams have difficulty choosing which standard to buy into. Experimenting with multiple standards made sense in the early days, but we’re now at the point where we are ready for mass adoption and it’s time for activity to coalesce around a single standard.

      None of the existing choices are perfect. An ideal mode would have the ham-oriented features of D-STAR, the equipment availability and pricing of DMR, and use an open source voice codec such as Codec2. (I do NOT consider the hybrid mode of System Fusion to be an advantage. If anything it is slowing down adoption of digital. Yaesu seeded the community with lots of inexpensive System Fusion repeaters but hardly any of them are actually seeing significant amounts of digital activity.) The standard itself should also be publicly available and allow royalty-free adoption, but all the likely candidates meet that criterion. DMR is probably the best choice among the current options because of the price of equipment.

      • Geoffrey F4FXL

        Hi Shirley, thanks for your input.

        DMR is also fragmented : you have DMR+, DMRMarc, brandmeister etc… All those networks do not talk together. We have here 2 or 3 DMR repeaters in a 70km radius. You cannot talk from one to the other as they are on different networks.

      • I agree, however, many repeaters could work with DMR, DSTAR or C4FM. I use DMR and C4FM, and will be happy to try DSTAR, or why not DRM or another modulation. Digital has notably increased UHF(435MHz) trafic. I make some call in C4FM in VHF, well our goal il to experiment 🙂 and this is the reason why it’s not possible to share VHF band with other high power users (on UHF there are only low power devices)

  9. Our organization, as a CEPT observer, plan to send papers recalling 144-146 MHz band is allocated to Amateur service and Amateur satellite service and how useful it is in our hands.

    Anyway any help or support is welcome from world wide. Thanks in advance.

  10. KEN UNDERWOOD G3SDW

    I think we are trying to make mass hysteria here, its only proposal from the French authorities and no one else. It would.need every one in the world to agree to hand it over the the aviation industry as if only one region adopted it then aircraft flying over regions that did not sign up then you could imagine what would happen If it did happen then there would be an outcry as there would be redundant equipment in shacks all over the world including all the repeater equipment being used on every mode imaginable

  11. If this happens it will be the end of 2m repeaters but with the millions of 2m radios out there an intelligent person would expect many of them to remain in use illegally.(think CB radio) If these frequencies are to be used for flight operations this would certainly be a safety concern.
    I expect this to go nowhere.
    Keep in mind that many people who have bought these radios in recent years are the anti-government survivalist types who have them for communication during the zombie apocalypse. A thoughtful analysis should EXPECT harmful interference from these users.

    • Anti-government survivalist types? Interesting. You know the people you are painting with a broad brush are largely what’s keeping new members flowing into Amateur Radio Clubs and many of them are the new licensees. And most of them aren’t anti-government and arent expecting zombies they just pay attention to the world instead of the distractions you apparently are buried in. In the event of an emergency whether local or national don’t dare ask them for help. You just wait for the government to feed you.

      • Michael,
        You assume I am speaking badly of these folks but I am not. I am very much in favor of preparedness. To deny there is a fringe element involved in the movement is nothing more than sticking your head in the sand.
        Count me among the lifetime users of the 2m band.

  12. derek hathaway

    The 2 meter band is vastly under used and as such has envious eyes looking at it, i can monitor the band all week and not hear more than 3 or 4 stations fm and possibly 1 station on ssb, however ! i think there will some naughtiness is they take it from us, there mus be tens of thousands of 2 meter rigs , some in the wrong hands.

  13. This is a joke. There are plenty of other bands in the ham that would sooner be up for grabs. One of them being the 1.25m (220) that has been eyed for a long time as there are today very few radios that do that band.

    • Nope. 220MHZ is ONLY an amateur band in REGION 2, nowhere else!

      The reason there are very few radio for 220 is because they can’t be marketed as a global amateur radio. They can only be marketed in REGION 2.

  14. We have so many bands and so many modes to work them. A lot of hams around my area seem to be into jt8,dmr and other new modes and other bands are silent. We started using 1.25 meters and have about 5 active repeaters and 2 more on the way.
    What we need is more new people. My friends and I look around at hamfest and look around and see a sea of gray and white headed guys like us. No new blood around. No interest in the old tube radios we bit out teeth. Just all put together stuff no kit making or making antennas just premade things
    Well I blew my steam off for awhile.

    • Heres my 2 cents for what it’s worth. You can keep the change. LoL

      Read the guys comment I replied to further up. That is one of 2 of Amateur Radios major issues. You have a plethora of people getting into preparedness but they are getting shunned by many Amateur Radio Clubs and Operators. These folks want to use the HAM band for a useful tool, not just a hobby and they get ran off. Believe me, I do news for a living and I see it all the time. Whether you personally do it or not it is happening a lot.

      Secondly is the elitism involved with many of the individuals. The aforementioned group of people that would be the perfect target demographic to keep clubs going are getting ridiculed because more often than not the first radios they buy are in the area of a Baofeng. They get completely persecuted for this. Again I know from experience. My only radios are Baofengs.

      If you want the clubs and the hobby to survive then remember those two things and reach out to the prepper/survivalists. Trust me the majority of us are no anti-government nor are we whacked out lunatics. We just aren’t distracted by Hollyweird and sports. We care about the things that actually matter and those things are screaming at us to be at the ready. Reach out to them. They would love you to and need you to. This is coming from me, someone that remains unlicensed simply because I have no way to get to somewhere to test and because I need someone to interact with to learn enough to pass the test. I was an electronics lab tech so those parts of the test would be simple for me. I just have trouble grasping the antenna parts. But when it reached out I’ve been made to feel like I have a boob on my head.

      The same thing is happening in the ultralight airplane clubs. The Light Sport pilots run off those interested in FAR103 before they can even go up for a flight. Most new FAR103 guys would likely, eventually transition to LSA had they been able to make it to that first step.

      This thing with Amateur Radio is a more common topic between us than you might imagine. These people want to learn. They just have little tolerance for BS. Time is important to these guys and so is trust and respect.

    • I have been wont to make my self a VHF radio for 2M, but never found anything I can make.

      I do not have HF at my QTH, so if 2M went I more or less off the air and QRT, I only have a small Space for antennas, has a disable ham who dose not get out much of the QTH local radio is important to me,

      I been playing radio since I was 10 has a SWL and in 2005 I got my first call I am 41 now and hope to get my full call one day, I have a M3, 2E0 but hope one day it will be M0

      There is young blood out there but it the cost of equipment to get on air for young hams

      • Shirley Dulcey, KE1L

        Kits and DIY plans for 2 meters are scarce because the equipment is difficult to build compared to HF rigs. At higher frequencies layout becomes more crucial. The smaller inductance values make it more difficult to build filters that perform properly. The requirements for spectral purity are much more stringent, making compliance with relevant regulations more difficult, and few hams own the necessary gear to test for compliance. (The widespread availability of broadband SDRs is changing that; although it’s not as convenient as a wideband spectrum analyzer, an SDRplay or Airspy SDR is good enough to check a VHF radio for adequate harmonic suppression. The cheaper SDR dongles don’t have enough dynamic range, though they are still useful tools for looking for egregious problems.)

        None of these things are total deal breakers. I have seen published designs for 2 meters (and also 6 meters, where many of the same issues apply) and I would love to see more.

  15. I think we all should look ahead: assigning the 2m to a different Service, because strong lobbying from private conpanies … wil be a ‘first case’ that in the future will put at risk other ham bands. Personally I notice the HF are empty so maybe, in future, we could get new bands there. On the other side as a group we radio amateurs have lost most of our political weight globally because we have lost our roots. I personally use radios that i build, but how many do the same? 2m is not the point. The point is our future in general. IMHO.

  16. If you have many bands, what’s the problem with losing one?

    • Geoffrey F4FXL

      IMHO this is one of the busiest band worldwide. Some might argue that it is empty in their area, but almost all newbies to the hobby start on 2m.

    • Shirley Dulcey KE1L

      The 2 meter and 70 centimeter bands are uniquely suited to local public service and emergency operations. They combine suitable propagation characteristics for that kind of operation and wavelengths that allow reasonably compact portable equipment. That’s why nearby frequencies are also used for business (taxis, utilities) and public safety (police, fire, ambulance) radio. (It’s also true that much of our amateur equipment is repurposed from those services.)

      The 2 meter band is the only band in that part of the spectrum that has a primary allocation for ham radio worldwide. 70cm is a secondary allocation. So it’s not just one band among many; it is one with special importance.

      Other less suitable bands include 6 meters (the larger antennas needed make it less suitable for handheld radios), 4 meters (only available in Region 1 [Europe and Africa] and not in every country), 1.25 meters (only available in Region 2 [the Americas]), 33cm (Region 2 and New Zealand), and 23cm (another secondary allocation, and less building penetration than 2m or 70cm). Also, none of them have the large installed base of equipment that 2 meters has.

  17. It’s a misconception that amateurs are going to be totally kicked out of 2m. We are now primary and there’s no proposal to drop our allocation, only to add another primary one. Multiple primary services are equal – but of course users in those services need to tolerate one another.

    • I agree with tom. This train of thought is because many people are only reading what they want from the proposal. Read the ENTIRE proposal.

      No I’m not in favor of the proposal. Just saying, read the entire proposal.

  18. charles vanberg

    The 2m band is currently populated by Amateur radio that use it for training, terrestrial orbital comm and public service. A drone has the advantage of height so the logical radio band would be at a shorter wavelength that uses line of sight to advantage. Why would you destroy an existing service just for drones.

  19. Shirley Dulcey, KE1L

    2 meters is THE go to band for public service and emergency communications. It’s a valuable resource for those things even in places where it is underused the rest of the time. Losing the band to drones would be a huge blow to amateur radio.

  20. Those of us of a certain age in the UK will remember the licence conditions including specific spot frequencies in the two metre band which had to be avoided as they were in frequent use by military aircraft.
    That sharing never seemed to cause a problem, and, other than repeaters, there probably isn’t much more activity now on the band, averaged over a week, as there was then.

  21. ARRL is an American organization. As such it has no power to say anything about a European issue. Any protests would have to come from the Amateur radio organization where it is being proposed.

    • Shirley Dulcey KE1L

      ARRL can and should submit the equivalent of an amicus curiae brief. That’s as far as their appropriate role goes at this stage of the process.

  22. Lets be honest here… in 50 or 60 years amateur radio won’t exist on any band, not because the bands have been taken away, but because of the lack of new blood coming into the hobby. Look around you at your local club, do you see new faces? In my local club, the average age must be 50 to 60 years old. I used to be very active in my younger days, but i’m heading towards 60 now, that and health reasons i no longer go out portable in contests. I used to be part of a VHF contest group that would put up four multi antenna systems, and a 24 hours contest on 2m would see over a 1,000 contacts logged. When was the last time that happened?
    This article might be rubbish, or ‘fake news’ but i could see it happening one day.

    73 to all.

  23. Dwight E Roepenack and Carol A Roepenack

    One thing is overlooked. As an active ham, I have spent a lot of money on 2 meter radios and ht.s. Where is the consideration. I never went to 220 and have not been on 440 but most of my purchases have been for 2 meter radios, the popular band back in the eighties and earlier. I have been a ham since 1978. Yes cellphones have taken over as well as face book and other modes of communicating. Ham radio is a hobby. It is sad that the FCC diluted the skills needed to become a ham radio operator. I learned Morse Code. It still has applications and it was a skill needed to upgrade. Unfortunately everyone wants the easy way into the hobby. Before becoming licensed CB radio caught my attention in the 60;s and there were rules. With the closing of FCC offices enforcement is just not a priority anymore. I just learned today at a ham festival that this 2 meter reallocation is in the works. It is a sad day for our hobby. My wife is licensed and we plan to use the band more frequently in place of our cell phones.

  24. Has any one informed the big companies like yaesu and Icom and others about this I’m sure they would like a point of view on this matter

    • good idea

    • The big three probably would not show much concern, they would just derive their profits from another and/or new area of marketing (like gprs, etc). It is the little folks like Alnico, Elecraft, etc., who need be given and who need be morally obligated to take the opportunity to voice opinion in public forum.

  25. Just remember one thing we in the UK don`t pay anything now for a license now and don’t have any clout or voice what so ever if they want it they (the authorities) will take it, If that’s the case does that mean we have all been coned over buying all the latest radio equipment then ?? Any Radio frequency is worth millions of £ or $ so are we going to just sit there and do nothing, yes I suppose so…shame really, G0 in the UK.

    • Geoffrey F4FXL

      France just removed the amateur radio license fee. The costs involved by the processing was higher than the income. I am not sure if no longer paying a yearly tax has some impact. In the US there is no fee since the mid 80s yet amateur radio seem to be a quite powerful lobby.

      • No Fe in the US since the mid 80’s? The has never been a fee to hold an amateur radio license in the US. Just the $12 or less over the years to take the exam.

        • Shirley Dulcey KE1L

          There was a fee for having an amateur radio license at one time. When I got my first license in 1970 it cost $4 to get one, and you had to renew every five years. (The Novice license was only good for two years and was not renewable.) Later the fee increased to $9 for five years. As F4FXL stated, the fee was eliminated in the mid-80s.

          Although licenses are free, the volunteer examiners that administer the exams are allowed to charge a fee for them. That covers administrative costs; the examiners themselves are not allowed to accept any money for the tests.

          There was previously also a separate fee for vanity call signs; in other words, getting any call sign other than one that was randomly assigned by the FCC. That fee was eliminated in 2015. According to the FCC, they were spending more money collecting and processing the fees than they were taking in.

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  27. One thing I hear over and over from hams is “The repeaters are all quiet all day. We need to have more activity on them.”

    Okay, I agree 100%.
    One of the best ways to do that is to tie a few repeaters together in neighboring towns.

    Enter the Yaesu Wires-X network.

    IF you want to know about the simplest method of linking many repeaters go to youtube and search for “Yaesu Official”.
    I have made many new friends by linking my little local repeater to the network.
    Now when one repeater comes up many come up and simulcast.
    Presto!

  28. what about APRS then on the 2 meter band?

    • Amateur Radio must become more visible and important to the general public. Without more political power (world-wide) we will ultimately loose this kind of conflict. Support the ARCS Initiative… FCC RM-11829

  29. Since when has the French Government started something that has worked out for them in the end: Louis XIV, Versailles Treaty, Maginot Line, Vietnam, welcoming African-Middle East invaders?

    Likely this won’t even reach the ITU where the ARRL DOES represent us.

    Anyway, if France has a problem with me on 2M, I just won’t work France any more on 2M…he..he..he…

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  31. This action is strictly for profit. As a commercial private pilot, I went through the change in air band frequencies from 320 to 760 channels back in the nineties. As an air craft owner, all radios needed to be updated to make full use of controlled air space. This change as both a negative impact on the amateur radio community as well as aircraft owners alike. Need I remind everyone the nextgen goes into full bloom January 1, 2020 which means less radio communications on the current 108-137MHz band. Most air travel will be able and is expected to go gps direct with implementation of ads-b. The only communication needed will be for atis, ground control, clearance delivery and approach and departure control. Since much less communications will be needed in the future of aviation, I feel a revisit of the current range of frequencies be revisited before taking this action. I am as stated above both a prior aircraft owner an an amateur radio operator.

  32. Geoffrey F4FXL

    Unfortunately this action is not made to get more room to the regular atc nor the data link based atc which might come in the future. They are trying to get frequencies for drones non safety related data links. In other words, this has nothing to do with getting more safety for all of us this is all about getting frequencies to better sell drones.

  33. Steve de G4TRA

    I use the 2m every day, it’s my main band and would be lost without it.

    I live in a rural location and specialise, with simple equipment I might add, weak signal Dxing.

    Starting with MS QSOs into Scandinavia in the morning combined the local FM nets, I move on to tropo assisted FT8 working up to 1000Km under flat band condition. I am monitoring for that elusive SpEs opening continuously where distances up to 2000Km are common place. At Moon rise and Moon set I spend a couples of hours trying to work global EME enthusiasts. Through the evening I work tropo assisted FM simplex on a simple vertical.

    Whilst i am not a repeater or satellite user I am an avid 2m band user operating under the noise floor radar, normally 16 hours a day. Like many radio amateurs I have a 95/5% split between receive and transmit and could therefore it could be argued that I am adding nothing to the usage of the 2m band.

    Just how wrong could you be.

    We must do everything possible to protect this great band and I for one am happy to do what it takes.

  34. There was a song dudes: Money talks!Say goodbye to ham radio.Sell the rigs and be happy with the money in yours pockets.

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